I currently work as an interaction designer in Red Hat's engineering department, and have had varying amounts (not very extensive) of involvement in the open source community. Most recently I co-founded the GNOME Women group to encourage women contributors to the GNOME project.
LinuxChix gets a lot of mention in the essay is referred to as being an "open source development community," but I feel quite strongly that it is not. Some of the motivation behind my pushing for GNOME Women was borne out of frustration with LinuxChix. LinuxChix is really more of a Linux User's Group (LUG) than an actual development community. I tried to participate in their IRC channel - it is really a tight-knit community of regulars who use it as a social forum and don't discuss Linux that much at all. It's like.... a quilting circle or something where making a quilt isn't quite the point at all, if that makes sense. If you join the channel (irc.linuxchix.org, #linuxchix) and lurk for a while I think you'll see what I mean. I think Linux is such a huge topic that it's not clear what LinuxChix would develop, anyway.
Now, I do believe it's useful for women to have a place to go for support and camaraderie when they are just starting out with Linux, and it is a good thing to have more women using Linux. LinuxChix appears to be succeeding on these fronts. However, as large as the group seems to be, I'm somewhat skeptical that it's produced many open source *developers*. Think of it this way, only men write books and women and men read books. It's good that there are literate women, but if the books are created only by men, then a male perspective will dominate. I use this analogy because I have thought for a long time that programming is a new literarcy, and that as computers become more and more pervasive in everyday life, those who fail to gain some ability in programming will be left behind.
I think more focused projects such as Debian Women, KDE Women, <mailto:women-subscribe@apache.org>women@apache.org</a>, and (of course ;-) ) GNOME Women are/will be more successful in encouraging women contributors (developers and others) than broad organizations like LinuxChix. (Of course, now the Open Source Initiative is creating a women@opensource.org mailing list, so we'll see how that fares.) Whether the group is focused on a distro or a software project, the point is that there is a focus, and there are specific things (action items) that need to be done, and a structure within each distro/project with which to do them. The structure of Debian is defined such that there is a specific process to follow if you want to call yourself an "official" Debian developer.
I have seen some pretty scary things directed towards women in open source; namely, the "Death to Women's Rights" guy, who repeatedly wrote offensive messages to a number of FOSS women's group such as Debian Women and LinuxChix, saying stuff like "it's MEN who wrote open source software, stay away from our hobby." Apparently he targeted women from the list privately as well. But, that's just one nut. I haven't really experienced anything offensive trying to get involved in open source. Awkward, yes. Funny in a "omg is this guy *that* socially inept??!!" way, yes. But deeply offensive to women, along the same lines as the Bugtraq Security Systems recruitment letter to Starla Pureheart? Hell no. I mention this because I think with all of the recent discussions about women in open source (I'm guessing as a result of the recent Women in Open Source session at OSCon), there seems to be a fear that crazy shit is going down where it isn't. For example, Mitchell Baker, the president of the Mozilla Foundation and one of the panel members in the Women in Open Source session at OSCon posted the following in her blog:
In the meantime, if you've thought about getting involved in the Mozilla project but found that something in our approach or attitude or style prevents you from doing so, I would be very interested in hearing your story.
The GNOME & Red Hat guys I've worked with have been *extremely* polite and respectful and I've never felt disparaged or been subject to offensive, hurtful comments. J5 is actually the one who first suggested starting GNOME Women to me. This was after he came back from this year's GUADEC, where some of the GNOME devels discussed solutions to the problem of few female contributors. GNOME Women was *not* started in response to any offensive incident or string of incidents.
GNOME Women thus far is two months (two *slow* months) old. I have no great stories to share yet; I guess the story thus far is that we've had an extremely warm reception by the GNOME community, but not a lot of "recruits" yet. Hannah, jdub, and I have contemplated holding a design competition for International Usability Day (IIRC, in late November?). Which reminds me I should send an email out about that soon. :)
So. In summary, my opinions on the subject:
- More FOSS women users are great, but let's get women contributors as well!
- Focusing on a specific distro/project may be a better strategy for getting women involved in FOSS rather than just focusing on "Linux."
- There has been some offensive stuff said towards women in development communities, but the formation of women-focused groups for a particular project does *not* mean that the members of said project have ever been offensive to women.
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August 22 2005, 03:42:29 UTC 6 years ago
That said, there's going to be a percentage of creeps in any field you go into; as a woman in any profession you're going to encounter scumbags who confuse your eyes with your chest, tell his buddies that he'd "hit that," speculate on whether you're a "natural" blonde or redhead, and all sorts of deplorable behavior that deserves a response of a special, perfectly manicured, raised finger in their general direction.
It should not be accepted or tolerated in the slightest bit -- if someone had the nerve to write a letter to me like the one you linked to (I actually had to Google that to see if it was an urban legend or not, because I didn't believe someone would actually have been an asshat enough to post that in a public forum) I would put my boot so far up their... well, I'll try not to be too graphic in this post. :o)
I'm not really sure if there's a finite point to this reply, other than the fact that I was so incensed reading some of the linked articles that I had to emotionally respond as a woman in the IT field.
April 19 2007, 20:58:28 UTC 5 years ago
So what about these men, all these men in technology, what do they do with the stereotypical attitude against them? I really wonder. Does it make them more hateful toward the women? Does it make them make passive-aggressive (IMO, it's passive-aggressive, or aggressive-aggressive, but some call it "frat-geek").
~ang*e
Angie Chang
Women 2.0 Coordinator
www.women2.org
April 20 2007, 00:30:59 UTC 5 years ago
What stereotypical attitude against men?
April 20 2007, 00:38:11 UTC 5 years ago
April 20 2007, 02:17:32 UTC 5 years ago
I don't think it's women (at least not clearly, nor wholly) creating/maintaining the negative stereotypes of men in technology, while it's kind of clearly men creating/maintaining the negative stereotypes of women in technology. So it doesn't make sense to me that the men would retaliate against women because of the stereotypes against men. (does that make sense?)
April 20 2007, 03:29:51 UTC 5 years ago
This negative attitude and view of women in technology is probably one of the contributing factors in the stagnation/decline of women in technology. I dislike it so... It makes the uphill battle to participate in an already difficult space that much more unpleasant.
August 30 2005, 15:57:25 UTC 6 years ago
Thanks (from Clancy)
I'm glad I found your response. You've given me a lot to think about.August 30 2005, 17:26:21 UTC 6 years ago
Re: Thanks (from Clancy)
Ah cool, I'm glad you found it! :) I meant to email it because your comment system seemed to be down, and then I ended up ranting so I wasn't sure how interesting you'd find it. :)October 6 2005, 03:54:41 UTC 6 years ago
From a person active in LinuxChix
You're absolutely right: LinuxChix is a LUG. Some branches of it have been more activist, particularly LinuxChix Brazil, but the main lists, when technical, are about support rather than development or activism. I don't think this is necessarily a problem, but you are right in also pointing out that not a lot of LinuxChix women branch out into development. Most of the developers there (and there are some: Val Henson on the kernel, Akkana Peck on Mozilla are the two most known ones I think) came to LinuxChix after becoming developers. This is true of many LUGs though.And likewise, I agree that there aren't a huge number of offensive incidents in FOSS. (Although, people who aren't used to trolls can get very shocked and frightened at the level of violence in troll-speech: a level rarely encountered offline, so that can be very scary.)
I'm on the GNOME Women list but not Debian Women. I'll be interested to see in the future when the * Women projects mature whether there will be more overlap with the LinuxChix community.